Curse

Desert Rose · Feb 27, 2010, 11:34 AM // 11:34

Current:

If you leave a PvP match before a winner is announced => 5 Dishonor Points
Each time you are reported for leeching. => 2 Dishonor Points
For each report you make that is not backed up by at least one third of your team => 2 Dishonor Points
All points are cleared if you do not accumulate any additional points for 60 minutes.
If over half your team reports a player for leeching a further penalty will be incurred preventing any XP or Faction gain during the match.
If you accumulate 10 or more dishonor points, none of your account's characters may enter PvP. This remains in effect for 1 minute per point.

Add:
If you report a player who has already 8 or more dishonor points it will incurred preventing any XP or Faction gain during the match for this player.

Reason:
This change will limit the benefits from constantly leeching because after a while even a single report can cut the income of XP and Faction.
The change hopefully won't harm the casual leecher because if you quit during a match by reason of an emergency you properly won't return within the next hour.

Optional:
Also add "you don't get dishonor points if the reported player already has 8 or more dishonor points" to encourage reporting of a botter, but it might be to easy to abuse.

El Perma Shadow · Feb 27, 2010, 12:51 PM // 12:51

imo this would get abused to much, say someone is a noob and no one is helping him understand, everyone reports him for leeching, even though he was trying, just so he cant play for a while... Not signed

Andemius · Feb 27, 2010, 01:08 PM // 13:08

the report system sucks anyway, i don't think this'd change that.

Shadow Feathers · Feb 27, 2010, 01:45 PM // 13:45

We all know the current system is broken but your suggestion doesn't improve or fix it. It could use a serious discussion and some good ideas though on how to fix it. You must consider the following though when doing it.

1.) Sometimes people playing in these areas do go AFK during a match for a very good reason.... OMG my kid just fell down the stairs or hell my nose started to bleed. There will be legit reasons that someone goes AFK during a match so you have to balance that with the people that abuse it.

2.) Any report system can and will be abused. For some reason I just don't like your character and even though you're gaming I decide to report you everytime because I find you or your guild offensive or whatever other reason.

Currently it says standing still is just a bug that can give dishonorable points but this should be a given in these areas. No movement for an entire game you get slammed, sit out for 10 minutes.

I would also love to see them do something about the bots but these things move and attack. Some are predictable by the skills and actions they make but I don't believe ANET has the time or ppl they need to address this issue by programming it so these actions are seen and automatically reported on accounts using them. Even if they did have something along these lines I doubt we would even hear about it.

I absolutely hate the botters and the leechers so I'm all ears for a better system but I haven't yet seen anything that would make it better without also being abused.

Shayne Hawke · Feb 27, 2010, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desert Rose

For each report you make that is not backed up by at least one third of your team => 2 Dishonor Points

Any suggestion you make to address the report system is worthless if you don't at least address this line.

Shadow Feathers · Feb 27, 2010, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Yep, there's a ton of apathetic players that won't report even when they have someone standing completely mute at the start and has never moved during the game. Some are just afraid to report since they will also get dishonorable.

1.) How about a limted number of reports given to each player that they could use during a certain time period ? Give people " X " amount of reports they can use without the fear of suffering from dishonorable themselves. Any way could this be used to adjust what we have right now and make it work ?

2.) Standing still or never leaving the fort or safe zones should be an automatic sit out for the involved player, period. It's an automatic sit out and hurts nobody but someone doing nothing to start with.

3.) Joining and leaving a game early should be the same as standing still, automatic sit out.

ac1inferno · Feb 27, 2010, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Before trying to improve the Report, fixing the Dishonorable System should come first:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuildWiki

- You can receive the 5-point penalty if your game crashes or you disconnect repeatedly.
- If your team resigns during Alliance Battles, you will still receive a premature departure penalty (5 points).
- During Canthan New Year, if you resign from a Rollerbeetle Racing game, your status might appear as ''dishonorable''.
- Players have reported that they have to wait an additional 10 minutes after visiting a new PvP town, as if the hex refreshed.
- Players have reported receiving dishonor points for standing still for long periods of time. Remember to move from time to time, even if you are running a support build, such as a Bonder.
- Players have apparently earned dishonor points for ''non-consensus reporting'' even though more than a third of their team claimed to have reported the same person.
- Players have apparently earned dishonor points for not attacking for a few minutes (moving but not attacking).

Desert Rose · Feb 28, 2010, 02:26 PM // 14:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Perma Shadow

imo this would get abused to much, say someone is a noob and no one is helping him understand, everyone reports him for leeching, even though he was trying, just so he cant play for a while... Not signed

?
You know, the "you cannot play for x minutes" is already implemented, I just suggest to punich repetitive leechers harder.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Any suggestion you make to address the report system is worthless if you don't at least address this line.

I have:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desert Rose

Optional:
Also add "you don't get dishonor points if the reported player already has 8 or more dishonor points" to encourage reporting of a botter, but it might be to easy to abuse.

Maybe reduce it to one dishonor point if the reported player already has 8 or more dishonor points.

Luminarus · Mar 09, 2010, 03:43 AM // 03:43

If someone reports a leecher and is the only one, then they should only get dishonor if the leecher uses a skill within the 30 seconds. This would make me feel better about reporting leechers, coz if im the only one i probably wont get burned.

MagmaRed · Mar 09, 2010, 02:12 PM // 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luminarus

If someone reports a leecher and is the only one, then they should only get dishonor if the leecher uses a skill within the 30 seconds. This would make me feel better about reporting leechers, coz if im the only one i probably wont get burned.

Not all leechers are afk. Some are just lazy or playing other games, or downloading porn. They could easily leech and still use a still every so often. And if it is a bot that is leeching, those are extremely easy to program to use a skill every few seconds.

Kopa The Demon King · Mar 09, 2010, 05:21 PM // 17:21

ANY modifications to the report system would lead to it being abused. The problem is Guildwars report system will be slow and stupid as long as its F2P, World of warcraft....(feels like a sin to say the name >__> ) has a report system but also allows you to open tickets with GMs so you can cast your ideas, your bug reports, your clipping issues, and OF COURSE! report the trolls.

Guildwars wont have this sort of system as it would cost them a good amount of cash BUT its nice to dream. haha